Episode 018 — Lists and the 4-of Test

In this episode, Paul, Wilson, and Phil talk about some lists they have been testing on MODO before exploring the “4-of” rule, a logical exercise to help you make better deckbuilding choices.

0:00~16:00 Intro & Current State of ANT
16:01~26:50: TES discussion
26:51~36:00: Dark Belcher discussion
36:01~52:00 Predict Miracles
52:01~1:03:00 Response to CounterTop DeMentor criticisms/praise
1:03:01~END 4-of rule thought experiment discussion

The Brainstorm Show’s ANT List:

1 Bloodstained Mire
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Flooded Strand
4 Gitaxian Probe
2 Grim Tutor
4 Infernal Tutor
2 Island
4 Lion’s Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
2 Past in Flames
4 Polluted Delta
4 Ponder
1 Swamp
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island

3 Abrupt Decay
1 Ad nauseam
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Massacre
1 Thoughtseize
1 Tropical Island
3 Xantid Swarm

The Brainstorm Show’s Dark Belcher List:

4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Rite of Flame
4 Desperate Ritual
1 Pyretic Ritual
3 Seething Song
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Manamorphose
4 Land Grant
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion’s Eye Diamond
2 Chrome Mox
1 Bayou
1 Taiga

4 Empty the Warrens
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Goblin Charbelcher

SB
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Ill-gotten Gains
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Dark Petition
1 Seething Song
2 Past in Flames
2 Reverent Silence
2 Pyretic Ritual

The Brainstorm Show’s Predict Miracles:

4 Sensei’s Divining Top
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
1 Preordain
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Counterspell
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Counterbalance
3 Predict
4 Monastery Mentor
4 Force of Will
4 Terminus

2 Tundra
2 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Arid Mesa
2 Plains
4 Island

SB
1 Mountain
4 Pyroblast
2 Wear // Tear
1 Pyroclasm
2 Surgical
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Flusterstorm
2 Blood Moon

 

4 thoughts on “Episode 018 — Lists and the 4-of Test”

  1. Hi there, one of the creators of predictable miracles here 🙂 (Minniehajj on the source)
    Great talk and evaluation of predictable. I’m not the biggest fan of your list, but that’s mostly due to a few personal preferences. I’d recommend checking out another one of the original creators new lists, which is a lot more in line with the ideas that you guys introduced:
    http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=12218&f=LE

    Let us know what you think!

    1. Thanks for sharing this! We will mention you and the list on the next episode and discuss some more of our thoughts on Predictable Miracles.

  2. You guys inspired me to pick up the 2nd (beautiful mint) grim tutor. Now I’m in the club. It’s definitely the right time to have empty main. Love the sideboard. Keep up the great work, we live for it!

    Also, any thoughts on 2nd volcanic island over 2nd island or 4th cabal therapy over 4th duress with empty main? Or do we need the 4th duress more in times of more varied hate?

    Best regards

    1. Wilson might have more to say, but I definitely feel you need to 2nd Island because developing your mana is so good against Wasteland decks that also tend to run lots of soft permission. As for the 4 Duress/3 Cabal Therapy split, while the Therapies are obviously nicely synergistic with Goblins, they don’t give us as much consistency as Duress does. Wilson has put a lot of time and thought into little minutia like these choices and I trust his judgment. I know that Wilson is kind of hoping something from Miracles gets banned because it will open things up for more Storm innovation. Stay tuned.

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